SWTOR Conquest Feedback and Upcoming Changes
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 00:51
Good day, Kestrels!
For whaetever it's worth:
Here are some answers to the severe and to my thinking rightful outrage of players about changes.
At the moment I am also pretty upset as like with the Command system they break something claiming it is new and fresh and then adjust it to something slightly worse than before when the outrage hits them.
Sadly that seems to be a repeating pattern.
As for me I am steering clear of the conquest with the ridiculuos changes they implemented.
And even though there will be some changes...well, most answers are:
"We are monitoring."
and
"We will react after monitoring your feedback with 5.9"
That means no real changes until 1st of may other than "bug fixing" which frankly to me is their hushed response to the severe changes they implemented.
There may be some bugs but mostly this broken conquest thing they implemented was planned.
And definitely no "bug".
Just the feedback is - understandably - severe and harsh.
And what they claim as "bug-fixing"...well, people do not buy it anymore.
It is their panicked way of rolling back things a bit after the outrage hit them.
The way they treat real feedback communication and culture this is no wonder.
Quite frankly they burned the goodwill of most players by now.
Delivering no real new content and just choking down on things mostly delivering it as "awesome changes".
Enough steam blow off - here are some "answers"...
Greetings
Corv
Conquest Feedback and Upcoming Changes | 03.22.2018, 02:29 PM
Hey folks,
In this thread we want to cover a few things about Conquests: our goals for the revamp, the feedback we are hearing from all of you, and what we are changing (and when). I recommend you start by reading our write-up of the changes that were coming to 5.8. Let’s jump in.
The Conquest Revamp – Goals
We had a few things in mind that we wanted to address as we moved from the old system into the new one. First and foremost were rewards. This includes ensuring that the new system delivers the rewards you earn, but also increasing the overall rewards for participating in Conquests. Here are is what you receive now when you and your Guild complete a conquest:
A large amount of Credits and CXP via completion of Objectives
Personal rewards, including crafting materials, credits, and more
Invasion rewards, including crafting materials, credits, Encryptions, and more, which is now rewarded to all Guilds who meet the invasion target.
Access to the Fleet vendor which sells special decos and the Master Compendium (Companion Influence boost)
Here are some of the other areas we were aiming to address:
Objectives and their points – Conquests are meant to be an activity that someone can work on throughout the week as they play the game. Previously, Conquests were very homogenized in that there was very little diversity among each week. We used this opportunity to spread out what objectives were available in each Conquest.
Crafting – Crafting is a key part of Conquests, and we certainly did not want to remove that. However, we know the use of War Supplies and crafting was contributing too much to the overall competition of Conquests. For that reason, we reduced the overall effectiveness of Crafting, but added new functionality to War Supplies that they can be consumed to add Conquest points. Allowing you to get points out of them twice if you want, or you could craft them on one character and then move them to other characters to gain conquest points.
Yield Targets – Competition among different sized Guilds has always been a problem in Conquests. We introduced yield targets to assist in separating out Guilds by various sizes, as they have differing targets and rewards.
Interface – We gave the interface a facelift (as outlined in the other post) to make it easier to find activities you may want to complete.
Your Feedback
We never saw this revamp as being a perfect change out of the gates, but it is a first step for us in crafting an improved Conquest system. Your feedback is incredibly valuable as we can immediately start making changes to get things to a great place. Now that you understand what our goals were, let’s talk about the things we are hearing from you.
Changed / Missing Objectives
This feedback was most commonly expressed from PvP’ers who saw a daily objective for winning a Warzone, but not one for participating. Our plan to combat the old system’s homogenization was to spread out all Objectives. This week may not have participation as an Objective, but it isn’t gone, it is just in a different Conquest. However, this information was not clear and breaks too far from the old system.
Plan: We are going to add a repeatable GSF and Warzone Participation Objective into all Conquest weeks. This will go into our next patch (possibly next week).
Objective Points Too Low
With the rebalance to Conquest Objectives, there is a general sense that completing your Personal Conquest takes too long and by proxy, Guild Invasions as well.
Plan: We are going to lower the Personal Conquest target to 15,000 per week (down from 20,000). We are also adjusting the Planetary Yield Targets to be:
Small is now 200,000 (down from 460,000)
Medium is now 550,000 (down from 1,380,000)
Large is now 1,130,000 (down from 2,530,000)
This will happen in our next patch (possibly next week).
Crafting Changes Too Harsh
Crafting in Conquests was just too good prior to 5.8. There is a feeling though that we cut a bit too deep on its overall impact to Conquests. The War Supply schematics were combined which made them harder to craft, and their point contribution went down, even with the added functionality of being able to consume them.
Plan: We are going to give it some time and monitor the impact of these changes, and then we will make any needed adjustments in 5.9 or beyond.
Large Yield Target Rewards Aren’t Good Enough
We are seeing concerns that the Large (and possibly Medium) Yield rewards simply aren’t good enough to warrant the extra points required. That this may cause most Guilds to simply filter down into Small Yields, which is counter-productive to the goal of getting Guilds to split a bit by Guild size.
Plan: This is something we are sensitive to but without seeing actual participation data around Conquests, we are hesitant to make changes just yet. We will monitor in the coming weeks and make any needed changes in 5.9 and beyond.
New UI Confusion
There definitely is some confusion around the iconography in the new UI, especially for Objectives. For quick reference right now, Yellow icon means infinitely repeatable, Blue means daily repeatable, no icon means once per week.
Plan: With 5.9 we will be adjusting some text along with adding tooltips to ensure that is a bit clearer. We’re also going to be swapping the yellow/blue to be consistent with the rest of the game. In addition, we’ll be adding some additional fly text for Conquest Objective completion.
Punishing to Alts // Legacy
With the rebalance of Objective points and the reclassification of some Objective types, there is some concern over the ability for a player with multiple characters in a Legacy to be competitive in Conquests. Additionally, there are similar concerns for folks with characters within a Legacy in more than one Guild.
Plan: One initial step to resolve this is the lowering of the Conquest targets as highlighted above. Also, by adding more repeatable Objectives (like PvP participation) as noted, this should give players more ways to gain points and make it easier to achieve targets. Beyond that we will continue to monitor data and your feedback to seek other possible changes in 5.9 and beyond.
That is most of the major points of feedback we have seen coming in regarding the Conquest revamp, but we know it isn’t everything. Let us know your thoughts on the changes we have planned. Also, even after these changes are out the door please keep your feedback coming. We are committed to getting Conquests to be enjoyable, challenging, and rewarding.
Thanks everyone!
-eric
Conquest Feedback and Upcoming Changes | 03.22.2018, 03:05 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by BlueWanderer View Post
Please include some estimates for when you expect some of the fixes to be implemented.
Are the UI fixes and swap of repeatable icons soon (like next week) or not until 5.9 (or even later)?
Etc.
Most of the changes above list a timetable, which is either in the next patch (trying for next week) or in 5.9 or later. For the ones listed as 5.9+ I will get more info as we get closer to that update on what is happening and when.
-eric
Conquest Feedback and Upcoming Changes | 03.22.2018, 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahana View Post
What about flashpoints for players who liked to use those as an avenue for conquest?
Good question, Flashpoints are in that list as well. Basically, here are the Objectives that should be consistent for content in every Conquest:
Group Finder: Operations
Group Finder: Flashpoints
PvP: Participation and Winning
GSF: Participation and Winning
It was a bug that this wasn’t the case for the Gree Conquest. Let me find out the details on if this is an issue with other Conquests or not and if it is, when it will be addressed.
-eric
Source: http://dulfy.net/2018/03/23/swtor-conqu ... g-changes/
For whaetever it's worth:
Here are some answers to the severe and to my thinking rightful outrage of players about changes.
At the moment I am also pretty upset as like with the Command system they break something claiming it is new and fresh and then adjust it to something slightly worse than before when the outrage hits them.
Sadly that seems to be a repeating pattern.
As for me I am steering clear of the conquest with the ridiculuos changes they implemented.
And even though there will be some changes...well, most answers are:
"We are monitoring."
and
"We will react after monitoring your feedback with 5.9"
That means no real changes until 1st of may other than "bug fixing" which frankly to me is their hushed response to the severe changes they implemented.
There may be some bugs but mostly this broken conquest thing they implemented was planned.
And definitely no "bug".
Just the feedback is - understandably - severe and harsh.
And what they claim as "bug-fixing"...well, people do not buy it anymore.
It is their panicked way of rolling back things a bit after the outrage hit them.
The way they treat real feedback communication and culture this is no wonder.
Quite frankly they burned the goodwill of most players by now.
Delivering no real new content and just choking down on things mostly delivering it as "awesome changes".
Enough steam blow off - here are some "answers"...
Greetings
Corv
Conquest Feedback and Upcoming Changes | 03.22.2018, 02:29 PM
Hey folks,
In this thread we want to cover a few things about Conquests: our goals for the revamp, the feedback we are hearing from all of you, and what we are changing (and when). I recommend you start by reading our write-up of the changes that were coming to 5.8. Let’s jump in.
The Conquest Revamp – Goals
We had a few things in mind that we wanted to address as we moved from the old system into the new one. First and foremost were rewards. This includes ensuring that the new system delivers the rewards you earn, but also increasing the overall rewards for participating in Conquests. Here are is what you receive now when you and your Guild complete a conquest:
A large amount of Credits and CXP via completion of Objectives
Personal rewards, including crafting materials, credits, and more
Invasion rewards, including crafting materials, credits, Encryptions, and more, which is now rewarded to all Guilds who meet the invasion target.
Access to the Fleet vendor which sells special decos and the Master Compendium (Companion Influence boost)
Here are some of the other areas we were aiming to address:
Objectives and their points – Conquests are meant to be an activity that someone can work on throughout the week as they play the game. Previously, Conquests were very homogenized in that there was very little diversity among each week. We used this opportunity to spread out what objectives were available in each Conquest.
Crafting – Crafting is a key part of Conquests, and we certainly did not want to remove that. However, we know the use of War Supplies and crafting was contributing too much to the overall competition of Conquests. For that reason, we reduced the overall effectiveness of Crafting, but added new functionality to War Supplies that they can be consumed to add Conquest points. Allowing you to get points out of them twice if you want, or you could craft them on one character and then move them to other characters to gain conquest points.
Yield Targets – Competition among different sized Guilds has always been a problem in Conquests. We introduced yield targets to assist in separating out Guilds by various sizes, as they have differing targets and rewards.
Interface – We gave the interface a facelift (as outlined in the other post) to make it easier to find activities you may want to complete.
Your Feedback
We never saw this revamp as being a perfect change out of the gates, but it is a first step for us in crafting an improved Conquest system. Your feedback is incredibly valuable as we can immediately start making changes to get things to a great place. Now that you understand what our goals were, let’s talk about the things we are hearing from you.
Changed / Missing Objectives
This feedback was most commonly expressed from PvP’ers who saw a daily objective for winning a Warzone, but not one for participating. Our plan to combat the old system’s homogenization was to spread out all Objectives. This week may not have participation as an Objective, but it isn’t gone, it is just in a different Conquest. However, this information was not clear and breaks too far from the old system.
Plan: We are going to add a repeatable GSF and Warzone Participation Objective into all Conquest weeks. This will go into our next patch (possibly next week).
Objective Points Too Low
With the rebalance to Conquest Objectives, there is a general sense that completing your Personal Conquest takes too long and by proxy, Guild Invasions as well.
Plan: We are going to lower the Personal Conquest target to 15,000 per week (down from 20,000). We are also adjusting the Planetary Yield Targets to be:
Small is now 200,000 (down from 460,000)
Medium is now 550,000 (down from 1,380,000)
Large is now 1,130,000 (down from 2,530,000)
This will happen in our next patch (possibly next week).
Crafting Changes Too Harsh
Crafting in Conquests was just too good prior to 5.8. There is a feeling though that we cut a bit too deep on its overall impact to Conquests. The War Supply schematics were combined which made them harder to craft, and their point contribution went down, even with the added functionality of being able to consume them.
Plan: We are going to give it some time and monitor the impact of these changes, and then we will make any needed adjustments in 5.9 or beyond.
Large Yield Target Rewards Aren’t Good Enough
We are seeing concerns that the Large (and possibly Medium) Yield rewards simply aren’t good enough to warrant the extra points required. That this may cause most Guilds to simply filter down into Small Yields, which is counter-productive to the goal of getting Guilds to split a bit by Guild size.
Plan: This is something we are sensitive to but without seeing actual participation data around Conquests, we are hesitant to make changes just yet. We will monitor in the coming weeks and make any needed changes in 5.9 and beyond.
New UI Confusion
There definitely is some confusion around the iconography in the new UI, especially for Objectives. For quick reference right now, Yellow icon means infinitely repeatable, Blue means daily repeatable, no icon means once per week.
Plan: With 5.9 we will be adjusting some text along with adding tooltips to ensure that is a bit clearer. We’re also going to be swapping the yellow/blue to be consistent with the rest of the game. In addition, we’ll be adding some additional fly text for Conquest Objective completion.
Punishing to Alts // Legacy
With the rebalance of Objective points and the reclassification of some Objective types, there is some concern over the ability for a player with multiple characters in a Legacy to be competitive in Conquests. Additionally, there are similar concerns for folks with characters within a Legacy in more than one Guild.
Plan: One initial step to resolve this is the lowering of the Conquest targets as highlighted above. Also, by adding more repeatable Objectives (like PvP participation) as noted, this should give players more ways to gain points and make it easier to achieve targets. Beyond that we will continue to monitor data and your feedback to seek other possible changes in 5.9 and beyond.
That is most of the major points of feedback we have seen coming in regarding the Conquest revamp, but we know it isn’t everything. Let us know your thoughts on the changes we have planned. Also, even after these changes are out the door please keep your feedback coming. We are committed to getting Conquests to be enjoyable, challenging, and rewarding.
Thanks everyone!
-eric
Conquest Feedback and Upcoming Changes | 03.22.2018, 03:05 PM
Quote: Originally Posted by BlueWanderer View Post
Please include some estimates for when you expect some of the fixes to be implemented.
Are the UI fixes and swap of repeatable icons soon (like next week) or not until 5.9 (or even later)?
Etc.
Most of the changes above list a timetable, which is either in the next patch (trying for next week) or in 5.9 or later. For the ones listed as 5.9+ I will get more info as we get closer to that update on what is happening and when.
-eric
Conquest Feedback and Upcoming Changes | 03.22.2018, 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahana View Post
What about flashpoints for players who liked to use those as an avenue for conquest?
Good question, Flashpoints are in that list as well. Basically, here are the Objectives that should be consistent for content in every Conquest:
Group Finder: Operations
Group Finder: Flashpoints
PvP: Participation and Winning
GSF: Participation and Winning
It was a bug that this wasn’t the case for the Gree Conquest. Let me find out the details on if this is an issue with other Conquests or not and if it is, when it will be addressed.
-eric
Source: http://dulfy.net/2018/03/23/swtor-conqu ... g-changes/
I just hope the game survives this.